Primeval Whirl site now cleared at Disney's Animal Kingdom

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Primeval Whirl demolition - November 16 2021
Posted: Tuesday November 16, 2021 10:18am ET by WDWMAGIC Staff

The former Primeval Whirl site at Disney's Animal Kingdom is now completely cleared of all remnants of the attraction.

The rollercoaster in DinoLand U.S.A. was announced to be permanently closed in the summer of 2020 following years of seasonal operation.

Disney is yet to comment on plans for the site, but with Disney has a couple of upcoming opportunities to make an announcement, including the Destination D23 event later this month, and then perhaps more likely at the D23 EXPO in September 2022.

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sedati4 minutes ago

I get what your saying, but I think you're comparing two things that really can't be compared. Your comparing the modern IP era with the golden age of corporate open wallets. That doesn't really exist anymore. I don't think a partnership attraction today would be handled in at all the same way as in the early eighties. Conversely, how would Disney have handled the parks back then if they had a far more vast interior library to work with.

UNCgolf9 minutes ago

They weren't constrained nearly as much as IP constrains attractions, which is the only thing that matters in this discussion. Non-IP rides have a much stronger track record at Disney than IP rides. Again, it's not that it's impossible to make a great IP attraction. It's just much harder than making a non-IP attraction great, because there's far less freedom to be creative. I want great attractions. We are far more likely to get great attractions when IP isn't mandated -- all you have to do is look at EPCOT to see that, but there are plenty of other non-EPCOT examples. I'm not opposed to IP attractions (they can be great as well), but requiring it really limits what designers can do and will almost inevitably lead to lesser attractions overall. Unfortunately, that's not likely to change anytime soon.

sedati16 minutes ago

I'm assuming you very intentionally only specified the RIDE at Imagination. Because the Magic Eye Theatre pre-shows were nothing but a ten-minute commercials for Kodak. The original EPCOT attractions were highly constrained by corporate interests. They threw away whole pavilions to cater to their donors.

sedati22 minutes ago

Then Disney by default isn't really for you. Old-school EPCOT Center is absolutely not for you. Which is fine, but this has nothing to do with IP or even theme.

Poseidon Quest10 hours ago

It is definitely an artistic interpretation from the people in Imagineering, but it's done with respect to the original legends. It draws from real world culture directly and continues the theme of human and animal relationships. I like Marvel films, but the highly polished and colorful blockbusters have no place other than Hollywood Studios. Even Avatar was a poor choice for the park, but it works so well because of how Rohde and his team were able to devolve away from the source material, exploring that same concept of fictional animals, but this time in the context of sci-fi. By directing Pandora in such a way as to contribute to the themes of conservation and human-animal relationships of the park, it doesn't manage to feel shoe-horned in, though I will always consider the idea a folly of Iger's. Now though, I have zero trust in the leadership of Chapek and the Imagineers to make any shoe-horned property fit into the theme of the park. As we've seen, Epcot has continued to crumble into a mess with no theme, full of aggressive mediocrity. With perhaps the exception of Mission Breakout, Disney can't even seem to get Marvel attractions right either. Almost all of them have ranged from "somewhat acceptable" to outright bad.

UNCgolf10 hours ago

Roxxon isn't heresy, but a Roxxon ride is almost by definition going to be a heavily IP based Marvel ride. Corporate sponsored attractions don't necessarily have to have much of anything to do with the corporation. Journey into Imagination was sponsored by Kodak, but the ride wasn't remotely an advertisement for Kodak. The original EPCOT attractions make up a significant portion of the top 15-20 rides Disney has ever built, and the fact that they weren't constrained by IP usage is likely a big reason why. I don't think it's a coincidence that many of their other best rides also don't rely on an IP. It's not that IP rides can't also be great -- it's that they tend to limit what you can actually do. Splash Mountain is an IP based ride that's one of the best at WDW, and Rise of the Resistance is too (apparently; I haven't been on it yet). So was Great Movie Ride, but it's gone. I'm not sure there are any others that apply, outside of maybe Flight of Passage (I like it, but I'm not as enamored as others and think it's only the third or maybe fourth best ride in DAK) or MMRR (which I have also not been on). Based on Disney's history, it sure seems like it's easier for them to build a great ride when it doesn't rely on an IP. EDIT: I forgot about Tower of Terror, although I don't think the Twilight Zone IP is absolutely necessary for that ride to work the way it is with something like Rise of the Resistance.

Jrb197911 hours ago

Cause what draws me most is the attraction not what IP is attached to it. I don't have an emotional attachment to any Disney IP. If I had to pick between a Disney dark ride and Top Thrill Dragster at Cedar Point. I would pick Dragster 10 out of 10 times. That physical rush of going 120 mph in 4 secs does more for me then a slow moving dark ride.

UNCgolf11 hours ago

Yeah, I don't think there's any way they'd build Ta-Lo and not turn it into an MCU hub somehow. It would be about Marvel characters, not animals/nature.

sedati11 hours ago

But they yeti is fine? It's not actually a real yeti- just an imagineered version. How is that different from a comic book version. Or any? They're all interpretations, but one is seen as legit and the other as unspeakable.

sedati11 hours ago

If corporate interests don't bother you then why does Disney's own corporate interests (the company you're actually paying to visit)? Exxon is fine, but Roxxon is heresy?

Jrb197911 hours ago

World of Motion, Horizons, Journey into Imagination, and all the World Showcase attractions had no Disney IP in them. Corporate interests doesn't bother me. For that matter the best attractions at Disney have no IP attached to them. Those are Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Big Thunder and Space Mountain.

ToTBellHop11 hours ago

I would be fine with it if Rohde was still present, since I know he’d make sure it still worked for the park. I don’t trust The Zach, et. al.

Touchdown12 hours ago

Asgard isn’t exactly presented as a paradise where people are in harmony with nature though (you know the guiding theme of the whole park.) That’s why Asguard doesn’t fit, but Tai-Lo is presented that way. That’s the difference, it’s why I would be ok with it and why I’m not ok with Zootopia (where the goal of the animals are to become civilized and deny their animal nature.)

Poseidon Quest12 hours ago

That's like saying that the mythical creatures and animals from the Thor films are thematically appropriate as well. Obviously, they're inspired by real cultural mythology, but they're still comic book versions, inappropriate for the theme of the park.