Frontierland restrooms closed as work continues on entrance area for Tiana's Bayou Adventure at Magic Kingdom

SilentWindODoom7 hours ago

Holy crap! I got busy for a few weeks and came back to 100 pages that swelled to 130 pages during the journey. But I made it. I figured with all that there had to be crazy reveals and dates and presentations and such. Not quite, but we did get to meet the critters and see the animatronics. Cool. One thing I will note, which I didn't grab a quote to reply to... I was surprised I didn't seem to see anyone bring this up. If you did, I may have missed it during this insane binge, so I apologize. But the Kleptomaniac Armadillo seems like the obvious other half of the trumpet storyline that has been brought up a few times. He's going to show up a number of times and I did see it said he felt like a secondary storyline/Easter Egg sort of guy. There could be a B-plot of him swiping Louis's trumpet and cheekily hiding with it in the vein of the Pluto storyline in Runaway Railway. This has come up a lot. Pecos Bill's and Tortuga Tavern share a kitchen if I recall correctly, and the Southwest and Latin fare probably were easy to serve from the same place. I wonder how much New Orleans cuisine crosses over with Tortuga to keep that relationship going... although I suppose they could shift focus to more French Caribbean than... well... Mexican. Wait, I checked the menu... Tortuga is serving barbecue and Asian? Huh... Things have changed. I associate that phrase with something different. As I feel Pirates has shown to a lot of East Coast fans, sometimes a thing being yours trumps quality in your heart. So many little touches that have always been there and you fall in love with. The heart will always trump the brain in that respect. This came in the middle of discussions on whether Naveen was disowned forever or just until marriage and jokes of succession. Until I saw the picture a few posts later and realized this was legit, I thought this was a joke description of her plan to poison the in-laws and assume the throne. "Remember, it was all started with a princesstrepeneur." I really really hope, if they had any sense, they kept the hanging possums for the bayou....I mean why not? Im sure we all had a favorite thing about splash, that would be mine. Also the shadow effect of the rocking chair behind the rocks in the queue? loved that...I hope they did something similar and just didn't close it up,, but knowing them... I wonder if they'll reprogram the weasel to pop out and say "LSU" now. Now, the other debate was the outside of the ride was being 'dressed' in some way to minimize how scary the drop is. This group included those claiming some sort of forced perspective was going on to that end. The people against that were people like me who basically said, "Ummm... can you point out where this forced perspective is? Are they making the flowers smaller or bigger as you go up the mountain?" Hehehe. Once again, I'm unsure if I got lumped in here, but I was saying (around the time I last checked before the 100+ pages) that I didn't notice the forced perspective of the original ride until it was pointed out to me in this thread. Features did shrink towards the top and there was nothing surrounding it closely. Now with those shrinking features hidden by greenery and large props put right up against it... it feels like all the evidence of a purposeful attempt at the opposite. I felt that so much so that I just assumed it was fact. As for the flowers, they don't need to shrink because simply making it look like its real height is more than enough. Splash Mountain is less than 90' tall. Avery Island is 163 feet at its highest point. But I think if they did it, it's simply to fit the setting rather than not scare children. Huzzah! The mystery crates have arrived! I wonder what's inside. Doesn't say. Ah, classic box stacks a.k.a. the pinnacle of modern Imagineering. All that's missing is a random lantern placed on top. There's still time. I don't know how long you've been in this thread, but if you missed it, that was solved hundreds of pages ago. Beignets. The crates are full of beignets Tiana is shipping down river. Here's a video tour from today around Tiana's Bayou Adventure. The bayou empty again. The water keeps getting filled and drained. Could it be that the lily pads are not static, but made to float on the surface? It would be the best look for them. Perhaps since they won't hang rigidly in the air during drainings, they're waiting until they aren't doing this as much to install them. I really dig among all the fancy lighting the bare truth of the bright yellow lantern over the mill entrance. It tickles me that I can picture it attracting bugs and that actually enhancing the show. I already had to replace two LED boards in two different celing fans and the LED board in my refrigerator has a temperature issue, I had it out multiple times and can’t track down the issue, it works well enough, so I am not going to pay $100 dollars for a new “light” for my refrigerator. Wait... Why do your ceiling fans have LED boards? Obviously I don't know how the final drop is going to play into storyline with Mama Odie but if I had to venture a guess that makes some sense.. Honestly, Mama Odie's always had that mischief streak to her. I can see her doing it just to make herself laugh. [QUOTE="imagineer97, post: 10907558, member: 109397"] [SIZE=1]Besides, I'm a king (can't you tell in my avatar?) and I can say what I wish.[/SIZE] Speaking of mischief... Aye, I know what you are. And your heart's as cold as a white Christmas! [QUOTE="Professortango1, post: 10907794, member: 113372"] Yes, but the characters never spoke to us directly except for the vultures and the Take Me Along Gator. Doesn't Br'er Frog speak at the start, filling in Remus's narration/exposition duties? [QUOTE="Surferboy567, post: 10907697, member: 127930"] “Tiana sure knows how to make a party special” is that what she is going to say at the top of the drop? Mama Odie would actually be a good replacement. It makes sense for her to have omniscient narrator knowledge and it would be a good nod to the two narrators before her. This line really reads this way to me, a little cheery summation at the end of the adventure right after the party. [QUOTE="Incomudro, post: 10911087, member: 101836"] It makes me think how this current crew would bungle the queue of Expedition Everest - which I view as one of the very best queue's in all of the parks - were it a new attraction and they were tasked with the design. Funnily enough, that's always been the comp I've had in my mind to the whole backstory debacle. We have the offices of the touring company, the museum, various different businesses that we're travelling through, so much detail and backstory and then a trip on a train while dodging a giant cryptid where not a thing of it really matters and no one without our brand of sickness notices any of the previously mentioned things. It always felt like Everest and this project could quite easily be the same in that respect, the only difference being that they actually published this information to score points with the kind of people who wanted the change to be made. [QUOTE="MisterPenguin, post: 10911421, member: 109956"] The yellow of the building has been toned down with faux weathering so it isn't neon-yellow any more. A nice improvement. Funny how waiting until things are done before giving one's verdict makes one look less... extremist. As I went through pictures and saw more close shots of the building, it all looked worn just as people seemed to complain they wanted. I thought it was a trick of the whole thing looking better together with the accessories or hyperbole by those complaining, but I suppose it was done in post. I will say that, while expressing earlier than the big mural complaints seemed to be a nothing-burger, the way it ended suddenly seemed odd. But I don't remember back then the amount of wall down to the stone and up to the soffit being the same. It looks less awkward now. Sorta balanced. [QUOTE="splah, post: 10913349, member: 12019"] Yeah it needs an intermediate layer that’s staggers from 1/2 the grass height to just about the water as it tapers out toward the boats and becomes more sparse. Right now it looks like what it is. A wall of grass (I wonder how durable all these thin grasses are. will they start to wilt in the summer months) It looks like a cartoonish version of [URL='https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/reeds-water-langely-british-columbia-58144806.jpg']the high grass at the edge of many lakes. [QUOTE="ToTBellHop, post: 10913607, member: 888"] I was appalled when I watched a video and someone pronounced “bayou” as “BAY oo”. I did NOT smash the subscribe button! Big [URL='https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oSGhhI8SVSw']kamehameha vibes. Oof.

Heath8 hours ago

I can’t wait to ride Broccoli Mountain

TheCoasterNerd8 hours ago

I always did like Don Carson...

imagineer978 hours ago

Figured I would repost this, since I shared it two years ago in the old (now defunct) thread (I know it discusses Splash, but there's relevant bits about the construction that are pertinent to our discussion): When this was announced back in June of 2020, I reached out to Don Carson, one of the Imagineers of the WDW version of the attraction and asked him some questions about Splash Mountain, the retheme, and Imagineering. Here's what he had to say (his words are in the quote boxes): I would be happy to answer your questions. Although I am sad to see the old Splash going away I am sure the designers at WDI will create a wonderful new attraction in its place. The "mountain" has "good bones" and I think it will support the changes they make, and the original did get a 28 year run so it isn't all sad news. How did you join the team designing WDW's Splash Mountain, and what were the guiding principles (or directives) for starting your design? Given that it was a "duplicate" attraction, was the budget for WDW's version of Splash Mountain the same as the original? I was assigned to Splash the very first day I joined WDI. It was meant to be a two-week assignment that included taking the Disneyland design and "cookie-cutter" it to the Florida site. The ride vehicle doubled in width which made the flume wider and the scenes smaller so everything needed to be re-designed to fit... and I ended up working on the project for two and a half years, right up to the opening. The budget was about the same, Tokyo's Splash was over twice as much since it included a lot more and encompassed an entire land. It's clear that the design of the mountain's exterior is meant to fit more in the Frontierland theme, but what has always fascinated me about the three Splash Mountains is the log on top being different for each version of the attraction. Is there any particular reason for this? And who came up with the fantastic Hidden Mickey (side profile made of rocks) at the top of the lift hill? Each attraction has a different rockwork designer. Ours was John Gauld and the look of the mountain and the tree atop it took on his style... hence the different designs. WDI designers seldom do out of their way to hide Mickeys, the on Splash is pure serendipity rather than by design. The storyline in WDW's version is much easier to follow than the Disneyland version, due in part to the presence of Brer Frog in the queue and ride itself, as well as additional animatronics of Brer Fox and Brer Bear scheming to catch Brer Rabbit. There are other scenes omitted or added in WDW as well as much brighter lighting. How did you decide what to change, add or subtract from the story and the ride layout/set-up? How did this affect what could be re-used (dialogue, music, and animatronic molds)? The advantage to doing the "second" version of an attraction is that you get to step back and learn from the first. We decided that the story needed help to make it clearer to an audience that might not be familiar with the Brair Rabbit stories, and we felt it was important to really create a contrast between the real world of Frontierland and the cartoon world of the film characters. I had always been under the impression that the Tokyo and WDW versions were developed simultaneously, with the logs being so similar in their seating arrangement. But after viewing the Tokyo version on YouTube, it is more different than I would have expected. To what extent did you work with the Tokyo design team in crafting the sequence and look of the attraction? Tokyo Splash's design was headed up by my friend Joe Lanzisero, in fact it was his storyboard designs for the scenes that Florida based our character placement on. The rest took on the style of the artists that worked on it. The two attraction models were built right across the hall from each other so they influenced each other's designs a little but Tokyo's is much more Fantasyland influence while Florida pulls more from the animation sequences in the film. Was there anything in the plan for WDW's Splash Mountain that couldn't be or wasn't realized, and if you could change something about the way it turned out, what would it be? I realized in hindsight that I could have changed Florida's design even more than I did. If I could do it again I would have made the Laughing Place an outside scene rather than a cave (which never appears in the film). At this point, this is mute as the Princes Frog will soon be residing in Chickapin Hill. Looking at WDW and Disneyland now, what current project are you most interested in seeing completed? If you were working for Disney now and could propose and oversee a new attraction (either a replacement for something or an altogether new project), what would it be? I'd bring the Peoplemover back ;) Regarding the new Princess and the Frog attraction, I am looking forward to seeing what the Imagineers come up with (though I really wonder if Tony Baxter will actually have any input or if this is merely symbolic), but I do worry about whether they will be given a large enough budget to come anywhere close to Splash Mountain's level of detail and quality. Honestly, since the two versions of Splash Mountain are so different, it might be challenging for them to carbon-copy the designs. I too look forward to seeing what the WDI designers come up with. I think they will do a splendid job. Tony is purely a consultant and I am sure he will be able to give his input. It will be interesting to see how they deal with the existing scenery since in both attractions this is all carved concrete. Time will tell. Of course, now we know Tony Baxter had very little to do with this.

EagleScout6109 hours ago

Exact same tree Br'er Frog and Gator were lounging on. The distinct swirl pattern on the bottom right lines up perfectly. You can see in the 2nd pic that at least part of the houses that Br'er Roadrunner used to stand on was also redressed. The two trees close to one another are the giveaway as they sort of framed Roadrunner.

MerlinTheGoat9 hours ago

People were pointing out that the initial interior photos released last year looked like it had a particular tree trunk that carried over from Splash. The corridor between Brer Frog fishing atop the alligator and prior to the dip drop. I'm not 100% sure if it was an exact match, though other parts of the scene did seem to be removed. Namely all of the animal houses in this stretch. It almost looks like the space is larger than before though, IF it is indeed the same area. I'm also not really sure if most of the Splash scenery was even solid concrete. Perhaps some of these large trees were, and of course the evac and service walkways. But a lot of the time, things look much more solid than they are. Sometimes they just use a mesh chickenwire-like structure and a thinner layer of concrete over the surface. These parts are quite hollow and not particularly difficult to tear into. I've ridden Splash when it was really dilapidated, and when there were visible holes or temporary tarps covering said holes in what would normally look like solid concrete. So I got to see how hollow some of the scenery really was. Again though, probably depends on the specific parts of scenery.

ToTBellHop11 hours ago

If it wasn’t gutted, us fans will know right away, so we will see.

EagleScout61012 hours ago

From what I was told, and what we've seen of Magic Kingdom's, both are keeping alot of Splash's sets, albiet redressed due to the fast turnaround. They don't have the time/money to completely gut it.

imagineer9712 hours ago

Don Carson (project lead on WDW Splash) told me that all of the interiors of the MK version were carved concrete, and he was curious how they were going to address that (i.e. go for a full gutting or just redressing). His implication was that it would be difficult to completely gut it as a result of this.

ToTBellHop12 hours ago

Still? Oof…it’s been a year! Ours was not in a fully gutted state in January (one year after it closed).

TheCoasterNerd12 hours ago

I've been told by multiple sources on multiple occasions that The Disneyland version is completely gutted inside. No sets, no AAs, nothing at all. This comes from 3 different sources over the course of about a week.

Disney Analyst12 hours ago

Have we had it confirmed it's redressed sets, and not gutted and rebuilt? The photos they released of the interior didn't seem the same to me?

LittleBuford12 hours ago

I too will be disappointed if there is no element of danger or suspense before the drop. And it's not at all unlikely that such elements will be absent. But so much about this attraction's rollout has been surprising and inconsistent that I think it's pointless to assume too much when the vast majority of the attraction—every single one of its scenes—remains under wraps. For my part, I honestly have no idea if the ride will turn out to be great or not. I will not hold back from offering an honest assessment once we actually have a finished product.

EagleScout61012 hours ago

Since we seem to be listing what we like/dislike, here's mine: Pros- - The ride is very pretty at night. - What we've seen of the interior looks decent. Yes its redressed Splash sets, but this could have been a full gut down to the show walls. - Critter Co Op signage looks decent and certainly evokes the feeling of Splash - Human animatronics look great. Hoping the critters can match and that the beaver has more movement than a tail. - The critters designs seem to be a nice blend of Marc Davis/modern. - The videos of the Cast meeting their animatronic counterparts are extremely wholesome. Cons- - Parts of the exterior. I said a few pages back it reeks of "Too many cooks" syndrome. - The cutting of Dr. Facillier. - The story seeming to be aimed at the younger crowd. Personally for me it's how the pull off after the dip drop to the big plunge. The upper HDYD scenes we've seen and can guess they'll be moderately redressed, the finale we've seen the renders of (Minus where the Br’ers were. The Laughin Place is the biggest mystery