Disney Springs remains open today but with just three locations operating

Mar 18, 2020 in "Disney Springs"

Posted: Wednesday March 18, 2020 1:31pm ET by WDWMAGIC Staff

Disney Springs continues to be open today, but with just three locations operating - down from around ten yesterday.

STK, Ron Jon and Basin are open as of this morning, and like yesterday, there are very few guests at the property.

The majority of the stores and restaurants closed at the end of Monday.

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StarWarsGirl1 hour ago

I assume we know absolutely nothing other than what history has taught us, which is that vaccines work. My issue (and many others have the same issue with this poster) is that this particular person tends to downplay the ultimate solution, which is getting shots in arms.

mmascari1 hour ago

That article is missing a bunch of stats to know what was really going on. The headline is a good sensational one focused on breakthroughs trying to get clicks. Assuming I pulled out the numbers correctly. There are 227 prisoners total. Vaccinated 185, unvaccinated 42 for an 81.5% vaccination rate. Then there's a whole bunch of unknown number of stuff with unknown number of vaccination status. Maybe they drive the vaccination rate up, maybe down. It's a prison, so we can probably assume there are relatively close living conditions and generally poor ventilation. Both of which increase risk of spread. The article doesn't say over what time period either. Was this all last week, or over the last 4 months or more of Delta? Maybe the underlying study has more details, I didn't dig in that far. If we assume the prison staff is vaccinated at exactly the same rate, 81.5%, that would tell us that 81.5% isn't high enough to decrease spread. That the rampant spread occurring in the unvaccinated population along with the reduced spread in the vaccinated population is still able to overwhelm the vaccinated population given whatever timeframe this covered. The vaccine is not a forcefield, wade around in a virus soup long enough and you'll have issues. If we assume the prison staff is vaccinated at a lower rate than 81.5%, say 62% since that's the Texas over 18 Fully Vaccinated rate in general (I dropped under 18, since they don't normally work at a prison), that would tell us the effective vaccination rate in the prison is somewhere between 81.5% and say 62% depending on how many staff vs prisoners there are. If prison staff are running lower than the public in general, it could be even lower. By now, we're pretty sure everything under 80% and definitely everything under 70% isn't nearly enough to provide protection. They're all before the inflection point. If we assume the prison staff is some ultra health conscious vaccine fanatics, perhaps they all work for the NFL on weekends and are 100% vaccinated. That would raise the effective vaccination rate in the prison above 81.5%, depending on staff ratio. If it's enough to raise it over 90%, this would truly be a bad sign since we're all hoping that by 90% we're good. Might also not matter, since while they can lower it, the fact they they're not always there probably doesn't help raise the effective rate as well. The prison staff also transition between the prison community and the general Texas community with a much lower vaccination rate. This dilutes whatever the effective rate in the prison is as new sources of virus are continually introduced. It's possible the prison staff has some vaccine requirement, weekly or daily testing, or some other protocol to avoid bringing in virus and negate this. But, it's Texas, that's not likely. See, there's a ton of great questions to ask there. Lots of unknowns that would all be super helpful. Notice, none of them were leading questions of "let's just give up, cause it doesn't work". :)

jpinkc1 hour ago

We can only hope and pray thats correct!

Touchdown2 hours ago

Each wave has corresponded to a different varient, FL had its summer wave 2020 which was the wild (Wuhan) type virus, its 2020 winter wave from alpha, which was not as bad due to partial protection from the last wave, and 2021 summer wave from delta. Barring a more infectious varient (and it’s going to get hard to get more infectious from delta) there shouldn’t be another one.

GoofGoof2 hours ago

You bring up a valid point I failed to mention. What we really need is immunity and that doesn’t come just from vaccination. I would just prefer to see people get their immunity an easier way.

corsairk092 hours ago

OK 1. I am vaccinated. SUPER Pro-vaccine. Have no idea why someone WOULDN'T get the vaccine. 2. The attached article highlights just how effective the vaccine is against severe infection WHICH WAS THE PROMISE MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 3. However you said that we "know" that there isn't community spread with high vaccinate rates. THis is an example where that didn't pan out. Now..... MAYBE there is a perfectly logical reason for that. I am no expert. 4. But to say that we shouldn't be able to ask questions.... that's just wrong. https://www.yahoo.com/news/70-fully-vaccinated-prisoners-caught-120458867.html

lazyboy97o2 hours ago

I’m not sure it can be said that that bar has been reached. We saw people make similar proclamations with prior waves only for the next one to be bigger.

DCBaker3 hours ago

"Florida on Wednesday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 10,073 more COVID-19 cases and three deaths, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data. In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,527,250 confirmed COVID cases and 51,892 deaths since the pandemic began. In the past seven days, on average, the state has added 376 deaths and 9,020 cases per day, according to Herald calculations of CDC data. The state’s seven-day death average has held at 376 deaths per day over the last three days, Florida’s highest seven-day death average." "There were 8,187 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Wednesday report. This data is reported from 236 Florida hospitals. That is 251 fewer patients than Tuesday’s report, but also from two more reporting hospitals than the previous 234. COVID-19 patients occupy 14.99% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared with 15.76% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals. Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,128 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 78. That represents about 32.84% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared with 34.21% the previous day." https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254438768.html

Touchdown3 hours ago

It’s really simple, we need immunity. What’s immunity? It’s the production of memory b and T cells in your body to prevent you from getting a severe infection. For Delta it is believed that 95% of the population needs to become immune, that’s the total population not eligible population. How do you get immune? 2 options: get the vaccine or get a severe enough version of the illness (evidence exists mild infections do not produce lasting immunity.). That’s it. You either let people get infected and deal with the pain and suffering, or you vaccinate them. Florida, much like Missouri is on a downward trend because they likely achieved that high bar already, other places have not. How bad your wave is will depend on how well you vaccinated. It’s really not all that difficult.

GoofGoof3 hours ago

I think the problem is everyone wants answers, everyone wants a definitive plan and everyone wants to know a date when the pandemic ends and when life goes back to normal. Reality is we just don’t know any of that. The best plan we have today is to vaccinate as many people as possible and see if that results in a drop in cases but in the meantime we continue a level of mitigations necessary to attempt to control spread and reduce hospitalizations and death. So it’s not “evil” to ask questions but people need to understand that nobody has a definitive answer either and not having a definitive answer isn’t a reason to give up and just “live with the virus” today. If vaccination rates are high but community spread is still high can we drop mitigations anyway? the answer is probably not. As long as community spread remains high we will continue to see some forms of mitigation. The Spanish flu pandemic took 3 years to run its course without any vaccines, but we were hoping that vaccines could shorten the timeline and it looks like that’s still a viable possibility. Remember that its not black and white and there are levels of spread and levels of mitigation as a result. The spread and the mitigations are not linear. It’s possible they continue to ramp up and down. We do know that measles is still about twice as contagious as delta covid and the measles vaccine does not have 100% efficacy but measles is still eliminated in the US despite not having 100% of the population vaccinated. So based on that if we can keep the covid vaccines in the 85%+ level for efficacy (maybe need boosters to keep it there) and if we get 90%+ of Americans vaccinated then there’s no reason the vaccines wouldn’t be as successful or more than the measles vaccine. It just takes time to get everyone vaccinated. That assumes we don’t get a variant that either resists the vaccine or makes the virus more contagious than even measles. Your comment about being wrong about being done by July 4th is valid, however that’s because the virus changed and became twice as contagious as the previous version. It’s a big math problem. You have to factor in How contagious the virus is How effective the vaccine is against the virus How many people take the vaccine We control #3 completely, the virus controls #1 and #2 is a split since it is possible to re-design the vaccine if needed. So without delta it’s possible we would have reached a level of vaccination where community spread was low enough that most mitigations would have gone away by July 4th and not returned. The point is that we can reach a point where enough people are vaccinated to significantly reduce community spread and eventually eliminate the virus altogether based on the math.

mmascari4 hours ago

All of these questions assume that once vaccination rate is high, that there will still be high community spread. To accept that scenario, we have to assume that vaccination doesn't reduce community spread. We know that's not true. We just haven't gotten the vaccination rate high enough to cause the community wide reduction. It's caused lots of localized reductions. The question "If community spread is high, and vaccination rate is high, is it safe to drop mitigation?" can be restated just as validly as simply "If community spread is high, is it safe to drop mitigation?". Vaccination is just one type of mitigation, a super effective one. And, the answer is "No, it's not safe to drop mitigation if community spread is high." The active mitigations in an area are directly tied to the to the level of community spread in an area. More spread, more mitigation required. Less spread, less mitigation required. This has been a consistent message the entire time. Valid question would be things like "How high is high enough that we see reduced spread?". With the original strain, they thought it would be 70% of population. With Delta, it's higher. I haven't seen any good suggestions for exactly how much higher. Lots of suggestions that we'll never get to whatever higher level is required. Questions like "What policies would get us to reduced spread?", "What actions will shorter the duration and which will lengthen how long until we're at the end". There's lots of good questions that can be asked. Lots of things that can shorter or extend the duration. If you assume we'll never get enough vaccinated to truly reduce community spread, yet you want to stop doing mitigation measures, means you're really asking: Can we just ditch mitigations and let it rip through the unvaccinated and whatever spillover that causes in the vaccinated? Plus the increased risk of this huge spread allowing a mutation that makes the vaccine useless and dooms us all to start over? Most people don't want to start over. What we've seen is that the people who want the mitigations to end the most also seem to be the people taking actions that don't reduce community spread and hence cause the mitigations to be required longer. It's a strange thing that those that want it over the most are the very ones dragging it out. It's like little kid that doesn't want to bath throwing a fit that just means it'll be longer until the bath is done. Side note: This is why I have consistently hated all the different ways we report on the percent vaccinated in the news. If it's One Dose, or of age 12 plus, or of who it's available to. The only stat that has ever mattered, and the one we should use to compare any area is "% of Total Population", preferably "Fully Vaccinated" although I'll accept that "At least One Dose" gives some future direction. Assuming Fully Vaccinated is catching up after 4 weeks. All the other subsets are just ways to make ourselves feel better that we're closer to ending than we really are. The % over 65 was useful when we first started and were worried about the most at risk, but it's rather useless for getting to the end.

danlb_20004 hours ago

I wasn't cherry picking anything, I provided the numbers stated in the study, not the vague statements in the conclusion. Use those numbers as you wish.

StarWarsGirl4 hours ago

Yeah, second shot is on Saturday, so we get to repeat the anxiety, though hopefully not to the same degree. That's my main criticism of the vaccine rollout; not enough effort put into people with previous allergic reactions to vaccines to ensure they could get this one safely. Normally, if I wanted to get a vaccine other than the flu shot, I would get it at my allergist's office, get the skin test done, and then assuming the skin test is fine, then I'd get the shot with monitoring. For this one, not only was that not an option, but all of the hospital clinics (minus Hopkins near me, which only has Pfizer and J&J, which my allergist said not to get) shut down. I'm all for vaccines, which I've been very clear about, but we need to have the resources to get as many people possible vaccinated. I saw a story online about a woman who was in the same boat as me. She was concerned about an allergic reaction, was doing my her research about how to safely get it...and picked it up and died. It hit so close to home because dang, that could have been me. And then there were a lot of heartless people in the comments saying "well, should have gotten the shot". No, not that simple.

corsairk094 hours ago

To be fair to @DisneyCane ...... I do think that he is questioning whether or not things will go back to normal if there is still community spread with extremely high vaccination rates. You assume everyone knows that it will happen, but 8 months ago things were going to be normal by July 4th. We were wrong. I think it is extremely reasonable to ask "If community spread is high, and vaccination rate is high, is it safe to drop mitigation? Personally I don't find that political.... just a result of very few answers or any endgame plan on the part of the medical and political leaders. Maybe people who are asking questions aren't evil...... Maybe they just want to have answers so they can understand the risks and live their lives accordingly.